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Znate li da je svojevremeno, 19 V. Austrija uvela sankcije Srbiji zbog Vampirizma. Boneli ima strip Dampir, govori o slovenskim lovcima na vampire, a Dampiri su bili u stvari, srpski lovci na vampire. Postoji legenda da je Sava Savanović prije nego što se povampirio predvodio jednu grupu Dampira.
Znači ako je još neki preživio, onda su tu oko nas.

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Ja volim slatku malu,
Ramalamaramalama ding dong,
Za to znaju svi u gradu,
Ramalamaramalama ding dong.
Hoce da mi je ukradu,
A tako zelim je he he...


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Talija ako si to ti, molim te učini nam uslugu, nađi nekog da te ubije.

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A što srećo? :D Koliko vidim voliš da divaniš o vampirima pa da malo jpg-ujem i obogatim temu.
I pošto ti voliš stihove zbog tebe i kopirah kiticu od istih. :lol: A ti bi mene da utepaš... ccc

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To što znam nešto malo o temi, ne znači da se družim sa vampirima i vampiricama. I neću ja da ti kratim muke, imaš valjda u porodici nekoga ko je zabrinut. (baba, tata, mama,repa... )

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Ne brini se ti pile za mene, daleko od toga da ja izazivam traume.

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Ne brinem se ja za tebe već za sebe. :D Nego, zar vi vampiri u ovo doba niste na ulicama u potrazi za večerom, sisanje krvi i te stvari...

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Pa zar ne primjećuješ da si pravi vampir, energetski vampir, piješ krv po forumu kome stigneš. :wink:

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Kod vampira kriza identiteta je normalna, potpuno te razumijem.

Evo malo podataka o tvojoj porodici

Арнолд Паоле (Павле Арнаут) је био српски хајдук за кога се веровало да је након своје смрти постао вампир. Прича о Арнолду Паолеу је једна од раних вампирских прича, која се очувала годинама без промене. Име Паоле је вероватно изведено од Павле, за Арнолда се сматра да је означавало његову војну службу у османлијској војсци, јесу хришћанске најамнике у Турке тад називали Арнаутима.

Ране 1725 Арнолд Паоле се вратио из турске војске у свој родни крај код Мораве. Северна централна Србија била је од 1718 под аустријској власти. Село се у каснијем извештају комесара Јоханеса Фликингера звало "Meduegia" (Медвица?), које се често тумачи са данашњом Медвеђом. Међутим, данашња Медвеђа се није налазила под аустријској власти. Помињу се више хајдука. Бивши најамник је купио нешто земље, окренуо се пољопривреди и био је брзо познат сеоској заједници. Могуће да је добијао новчану подршку аустријске војне управе, која је тежила да на граници према Османлијама држи војну милицију упозната тереном, околностима и турском војском. Заволео је ћерку једног комшије и обоје су се венчали.

Арнолд је говорио својој жени о свом страху да умре рано. Кад је служио турску војску био је постављен "код Косова у турској Србији" (у оригиналу "bey Gossowa in dem türckischen Servien"), где је владало сујеверје да проклетство нађе оног ко би извршио самоубиство; тај би се вратио из мртвих, то јест као мртвац не би нашао мир. Такође је говорио да је у Грчкој имао сусрет са вампиром, који га је пратио до "турске Србије" где га је Арнолд убио. Арнолд је отворио гроб вампира и спалио га. Осим тога је јео од земље испод које је лежао вампир да би се заштитио од будућих напада. Доживљај је толико утицао на њега, да је напустио војску и вратио се родном крају.

1725 или 1727 Арнолд је пао са велике висине и однесен онесвешћен кући. Имао је вероватно тешке унутрашње повреде, те је брзо умро. По Јоханес Фликингеру пао је са сењака и сломио врат. Сахрањен је на месном гробљу. Након кратког времена почеле су вести о њему. Виђен је више пута у свом крају, увек ноћи. Једни су тврдили да их је посећао и давио. Међутим, нико није говорио да је хтео да "сиса" њихову крв. Неколико недеља касније нађени су мртви више људи, који су тврдили да су га видели, док узрок њихове смрти није био јасан. Број умрулих је бројао око четворо људи. Мештани су на предлог свог "хаднука" (хајдук, врачар, лекар?), који је раније присуствао истим догађајима, отворили његов гроб, пробили колац кроз његово мртво тело и спалили га. Исто су учинили са са другим четвро умрулих.

1731 почело је ново умирање у Арнолдовом крају. Умрули су седамнаесторо људи, узрок њихове смрти исто није био познат. Прва која је умрула била је 60-годишња Милица, затим једно 8-годишње дете, 20-годишња Стана (умрула при порађају, говорила је да се мазала вампирском крви) и њено новорођено дете, један 16-годишњи момак (умро после три дана болести), једна 10-годишња девојчица, 17-годишњи Јоаникије (умро после три дана болести), онда "хаднукова" супруга, затим Ружа (умрула после десет дана болести), 60-годишњи Станче, 25-годишњи хајдучки син Милоје (умро после три месеца болести), Ружино дете (осамнаест дана старо), 21-годишњи Раде (умро после три месеца болести), жена локалног хајдучког барјактара са њеним дететом, дете "хаднукове" супруге, и 20-годишња снаха хајдука Јовице Станојка (умрула после три дана болести). Задња која је умрула, Станојка, говорила је да се петнаестак дана раније пробудила ноћи гушена те да је била дављена од Милоја. Прва која је умрула, Милица, јела је говече месо чију је крв наводно пио пет година раније Арнолд Паоле.

Аустријска војна управа у Београду послала је званичну комисију да разјасни ситуацију, сачињену од комесара Јоханес Фликингер (Johannes Flückinger), леутнанта Бутенер (Buttener) и Ј.Х. фон Линденфелс (Ј.H. von Lindenfels), два војних лекара, Исак Зигел (Isaac Siegel) и Јохан Фридрих Баумгертнер (Johann Friedrich Baumgärtner), и једног свештеника. Отворили су уз присуство месних старешина, међу њима хајдучки капетан "Gorschitz Haduck" (Горшић хајдук?), и локалних Цигана гробове умрулог Радета, "хаднукове" жене и детета и барјактарове жене и детета, да ексхумирају њихова мртва тела. Што су нашли зачудило их је: Њихова мртва тела су изгледала да нису трулила, а коса и нокти као да су порасле. Лица су била румена и надувена. Али доказ о наводном вампиризму била је свежа крв на њиховим уснама. Аустријски комесари су наредили Циганима да свим лешима са истим знаковима отсечу главе и спале. Јоханес Фликингер је послао опширни извештај у Беч, у којим је дао преглед и покушавао да објасни поменута дешавања. Његов извештај се објавио у више новина и изазвао је у Европи дугогодишњу дискусију о вампирима. Објављење су за неколико година више од двадесет рада. Центар дискусије био је протестантски део Немачке, у којем теолошком учењу није смело да буде такозваних повратника, који би се после њихове смрти показивали живима и њима чинили штету. Сам Фликингер био је скептичан према натприродним дешавањама па тако завршава свој извештај са: Да ли је то вампирство било од сотоне? Зашто се онда није отерао молитвама? Да ли је било природно (мисли на епидемију), зашто се на (њиховим) телима извшила таква казна или призор? Великим, неправедним и живим вампирима нек се отсечу главе и мртве нек се оставе на миру. Није ли међу вампирима био један разуман човек? Одакле доказати супротно? Како да се његовој родбини не урачуна у срамоту?

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Још један Талијин рођак, бочна линија.

Петар Благојевић, у аустријским изворима Peter Plogojowitz, био је сељак у Србији, за којег су многи веровали да је после смрти постао вампир. Живео је крајем 17. века, почетком 18. века, умро негде 1725 у селу Kisilova, можда данашње Кисиљево код Пожаревца. Северна централна Србија била је тад део Царске Аустрије (од 1718 до 1739).

Након његове смрти људи у његовом крају су почели после кратке болести да умиру. Настала је сумња да је вампир. Пре њихове смрти многи су тврдили, да им се умрли Благојевић у ноћи указивао и давио. Његова супруга је побегла непосредно после тих чудних збивања изјавивши да јој је у сну дошао мртав муж тражећи јој своје опанке. Најзад му је отворен гроб, тело му наводно није трулило а на уснама је имао свежу крв. Мештани његовог краја су пробили колац кроз његово мртво срце и спалили тело. Одговорни службеник аустријске управе нерадо је допустио поступак, али је пристао због "страха" мештана да цело њихово село буде уништено од вампира, и њиховог захтева да учине све потребно као што у "турска времена", то јест кад је село било под османлијској власти.

Извештај аустријског службеника спада у прва помињања вампиризма у Европи новијег доба, преведено је на више језика и суделовало на "вампирску манију" Енглеске, Француске и Немачке. Догађај је био сличан ономе са Арнолд Паоле пар година касније, што је изазвало и једно званично истраживање аустријске владе. Феномени или изгледи наводне нетрулежности тела, "нова" коса, кожа и нокти, надувена и румена лица те и крв на уснама данас су објашњени и део су једне фазе посмртног остатка. Народу непознате болести и епидемије могле су да створе веровање у дејствовање натприродних сила.

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Originalni austrijski izvjestaj.

Visum et Repertum (1732)

Five years after the death of Arnod Paole, seventeen people died in under three months from alleged vampire attacks in the same village and, on December 12th 1731, the Austrian Emperor ordered that an inquiry should be carried out by Regimental Field Surgeon Johannes Fluckinger.
It is difficult to discount this report signed by no less than five Officers in the army of Charles VI, Emperor of Austria as three of them were doctors and they all would have been extremely familiar with corpses, having served in the army that had fought and defeated the Turks between 1714 and 1718. We must remember, however, that the details pertaining to Arnod Paole in this account are secondhand: as this report was written five years after his death following investigation of this fresh outbreak of vampirism in Medvegia. It was supposed that Paole were the original cause of these later events as it was said that he had fed from animals as well as humans:

"Visum et Repertum 1732" (Seen and Discovered)

"After it had been reported that in the village of Medvegia the so-called vampires had killed some people by sucking their blood, I was, by high degree of a local Honorable Supreme Command, sent there to investigate the matter thoroughly along with officers detailed for that purpose and two subordinate medical officers, and therefore carried out and heard the present inquiry in the company of the captain of the Stallath Company of haiduks (a type of soldier), Gorschiz Hadnack, the standard-bearer and the oldest haiduk of the village, as follows: who unanimously recounted that about five years ago a local haiduk by the name of Arnold Paole broke his neck in a fall from a haywagon. This man had during his lifetime often revealed that, near Gossowa in Turkish Serbia, he had been troubled by a vampire, wherefore he had eaten from the earth of the vampire's grave and had smeared himself with the vampire's blood, in order to be free from the vexation he had suffered. In 20 or 30 days after his death some people complained that they were being bothered by this same Arnod Paole; and in fact four people were killed by him.
"In order to end this evil, they dug up this Arnold Paole 40 days after his death - this on the advice of Hadnack, who had been present at such events before; and they found that he was quite complete and undecayed, and that fresh blood had flowed from his eyes, nose, mouth, and ears; that the shirt, the covering, and the coffin were completely bloody; that the old nails on his hands and feet, along with the skin, had fallen off, and that new ones had grown; and since they saw from this that he was a true vampire, they drove a stake through his heart, according to their custom, whereby he gave an audible groan and bled copiously.
"Thereupon they burned the body the same day to ashes and threw these into the grave. These people say further that all those who were tormented and killed by the vampire must themselves become vampires. Therefore they disinterred the above-mentioned four people in the same way. Then they also add that this Arnod Paole attacked not only the people but also the cattle, and sucked out their blood. And since the people used the flesh of such cattle, it appears that some vampires are again present here, inasmuch as, in a period of three months, 17 young and old people died, among them some who, with no previous illness, died in two or at the most three days. In addition, the haiduk Jowiza reports that his step-daughter, by name of Stanacka, lay down to sleep 15 days ago, fresh and healthy, but at midnight she started up out of her sleep with a terrible cry, fearful and trembling, and complained that she had been throttled by the son of a haiduk by the name of Milloe, who had died nine weeks earlier, whereupon she had experienced a great pain in the chest and became worse hour by hour, until finally she died on the third day.
"At this we went the same afternoon to the graveyard, along with the often-mentioned oldest haiduks of the village, in order to cause the suspicious graves to be opened and to examine the bodies in them, whereby, after all of them had been dissected, there was found:

"1. A woman by the name of Stana, 20 years old, who had died in childbirth two months ago, after a three-day illness, and who had herself said, before her death, that she had painted herself with the blood of a vampire, wherefore both she and her child - which had died right after birth and because of a careless burial had been half eaten by the dogs- must also become vampires. She was quite complete and undecayed. After the opening of the body there was found in the cavitate pectoris a quantity of fresh extravascular blood. The vessels of the arteries and veins, like the ventriculis ortis, were not, as is usual, filled with coagulated blood, and the whole viscera, that is, the lung, liver, stomach, spleen, and intestines were quite fresh as they would be in a healthy person. The uterus was however quite enlarged and very inflamed externally, for the placenta and lochia had remained in place, wherefore the same was in complete putredine. The skin on her hands and feet, along with the old nails, fell away on their own, but on the other hand completely new nails were evident, along with a fresh and vivid skin.
"2. There was a woman by the name of Miliza (60 years old), who had died after a three-month sickness and had been buried 90-some days earlier. In the chest much liquid blood was found; and the other viscera were, like those mentioned before, in a good condition. During her dissection, all the haiduks who were standing around marveled greatly at her plumpness and perfect body, uniformly stating that they had known the woman well, from her youth, and that she had; throughout her life, looked and been very lean and dried up, and they emphasized that she had come to this surprising plumpness in the grave. They also said that it was she who started the vampires this time, because she had eaten of the flesh of those sheep that had been killed by the previous vampires.
"3. There was an eight-day-old child which had lain in the grave for 90 days and was similarly in a condition of vampirism.
"4. The son of a haiduk, 16 years old, was dug up, having lain in the earth for nine weeks, after he had died from a three-day illness, and was found like the other vampires.
"5. Joachim, also the son of a haiduk, 17 years old; had died after a three-day illness. He had been buried eight weeks and four days and, on being dissected; was found in similar condition.
"6. A woman by the name of Ruscha who had died after a ten-day illness and had been buried six weeks previous, in whom there was much fresh blood not only in the chest but also in fundo ventriculi. The same showed itself in her child, which was 18 days old and had died five weeks previously.
"7. No less did a girl ten years of age, who had died two months previously, find herself in the above-mentioned condition, quite complete and undecayed; and had much fresh blood in her chest.
"8. They caused the wife of the Hadnack to be dug up, along with her child. She had died seven weeks previously, her child - who was eight weeks old- 21 days previously, and it was found that both mother and child were completely decomposed, although earth and grave were like those of the vampires lying nearby.
"9. A servant of the local corporal of the haiduks, by the name of Rhade, 21 years old, died after a three-month-long illness, and after a five week burial was found completely decomposed.
"10. The wife of the local bariactar, along with her child, having died five weeks previously, were also completely decomposed.
"11. With Stanche, a local haiduk, 60 years old; who had died six weeks previously, I noticed a profuse liquid blood, like the others, in the chest and stomach. The entire body was in the oft-named condition of vampirism.
"12. Milloe, a haiduk, 25 years old; who had lain for six weeks in the earth, also was found in the condition of vampirism mentioned.
"13. Stanoika, the wife of a haiduk, 20 years old, died after a three-day illness and had been buried 18 days previously. In the dissection I found that she was in her countenance quite red and of a vivid color, and, as was mentioned above, she had been throttled, at midnight, by Milloe, the son of the haiduk, and there was also to be seen, on the right side under the ear, a bloodshot blue mark, the length of a finger. As she was being taken out of the grave, a quantity of fresh blood flowed from her nose. With the dissection I found; as mentioned often already, a regular fragrant fresh bleeding, not only in the chest cavity, but also in ventriculo cordis. All the viscera found themselves in a completely good and healthy condition. The hypodermis of the entire body, along with the fresh nails of hands and feet, was as though completely fresh.

"After the examination had taken place, the heads of the vampires were cut off by the local gypsies and burned along with the bodies, and then the ashes were thrown into the river Morava. The decomposed bodies, however, were laid back into their own graves. Which I attest along with those assistant medical officers provided for me. Actum ut supra:
"L.S. Johannes Fluchinger, Regimental Medical Officer of the Foot Regiment of the Honorable B. Furstenbusch.
"L.S. J.H. Siegel, Medical Officer of the Honorable Morall Regiment.
"L.S. Johann Friedrich Baumgarten, Medical Officer of the Foot Regiment of the Honorable B. Furstenbusch.
"The undersigned attest herewith that all which the Regimental Medical Officer of the Foot Regiment of the Honorable B. Furstenbusch has observed in the matter of vampires - along with both medical officers who signed with him - is in every way truthful and has been undertaken, observed, and examined in our own presence. In confirmation thereof is our signature in our own hand, of our making, Belgrade, January 26, 1732.
"L.S. Buttener, Leieutenant Colonel of the Honorable Alexandrian Regiment.
"L.S. J.H. von Lindenfels, Officer of the Honorable Alexandrian Regiment."

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ljubim ja tebe mačko moja! :lol: :lol: :lol: Smijem li? :oops:

A vampir Toza? Njega si zaboravio? :D

Da i ja malo copy paste (slike ne smijem radi dragog mi kolege) :wink:


Opšte je poznata činjenica da je vampir jedina reč iz srpskog jezika koja je opšteprihvaćena u svim svetskim jezicima.

U raznim delovima slovenskog sveta vampir se naziva i drugim nazivima: vukodlak, lampir, lapir, vjedogonja, jedogonja, a najčešće - upir. Iz ove poslednje može saznati poreklo reči vampir. Naime, stari Sloveni su, kao i većina starih naroda, smatrali da će, ako se telo mrtvog čoveka ne spali, njegova duša ostati zauvek zarobljena na ovom svetu i nikad neće naći mira. Zato su svoje mrtve podvrgavali "tretmanu" u kome su ih spaljivali na velikoj lomači i tako ih ispraćali u "večna lovišta". Međutim, dešavalo se (naročito za vreme ratova ili velikih bolesti), da se telo nekog stradalnika uopšte ne pronađe i ne isprati kako dolikuje, što je, navodno, dovodilo do toga da nesrećnik ubrzo počinje da ustaje noću i ubija ljude. Sve dok se, ne nađe neko ko će ga "počastiti" glogovim kocem.[traži se izvor]

Na staroslovenskom, reč za vatru je - pir, a un označava negaciju.[traži se izvor] Dakle reč un-pir ili u-pir (ne-vatra), bi označavala nešto što se ne može vatrom uništiti, čemu vatra ne može ništa. U ovom slučaju reč je o čoveku koji je, zbog određenih grehova, kažnjen (od strane bog(ov)a) time da postane vampir i doveka luta po zemlji, ili jednostavno, mrtvaca čiji leš nije spaljen.[traži se izvor]

Kontroverza oko pojma u 18. veku
Pojam je verovatno postao opštepoznat po romanu Drakula Brema Stokera. Veruje se da je prvo pominjanje pojma u zapadnoj Evropi bilo u austrijskom časopisu „Vossiche Zeitung“, broj 98, koji je objavljen 1725. U tom časopisu se nalazi izveštaj po kojem je u selu Kisiljevu umro izvesni Petar Blagojević, a posle njega još deset osoba u narednih 24 časa. Na samrti bi ljudi izjavili da im se Blagojević ukazivao i da ih je davio te od toga moraju umreti a njegova supruga je pobegla neposredno posle tih čudnih zbivanja izjavivši da joj je u snu došao mrtav muž tražeći joj svoje opanke. Iz Beča je poslat tim lekara i stručnjaka u Kisiljevo kako bi se utvrdilo o čemu se zapravo radi. Nakon otvaranja kovčega Petra Blagojevića (zapisano kao Peter Plogojowitz), zabeleženo je da je telo bilo očuvano u potpunosti kao da je i dalje živ, a da je u njegovim ustima bilo malo sveže krvi.

Pored Blagojevića austrijski i engleski izvori pominju i izvesnog Arnolda Paolea, vojnika, koji je, navodno, imao bliski susret sa vampirom u Grčkoj, odakle je i doneo zarazu. On je, navodno, ubio vampira ali se posle toga osećao loše i ubrzo je umro u nekom selu kraj Beograda, posle čega su krenuli napadi vampira u ovom kraju. Njegovo telo je kasnije ekshumirano (od strane vlasti!) i podvrgnuto "kuri" kocem, ali ni posle toga napadi nisu sasvim prestali.

Mitovi slični vampirskim

Mitova sličnih vampirskim ima širom sveta, na primer Nahcerer (nem. nachzehrer) u Nemačkoj, Baoban sit (engl. baobhan sith) u Škotskoj, Điang Ši (kin: 僵屍 ili 殭屍 u Kini, Kjuketsuki (jap. -{kyūketsuki}-) u Japanu, Jara-ma-iha-hu (yara-ma-yha-who) kod australijskih Aboridžina, Asvang (aswang) na Filipinima, Adze (adze) i Asanbosan (asanbosam) u Gani i Obali Slonovače, Sukrijant (soucriant) na Karibima, Sukujant (soucouyant) u Trinidadu i Tobagu ... Ovi mitovi u većini ne podrazumevaju umrle koji bi se vratili u život kao živi mrtvaci ili duhovi poput vampira, već demone, veštice i natprirodna bića, slično antičkim grčkim Lamijama.

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Ja mislim da bi ti po porodičnoj odgovornosti mogla da završiš u hagu, kao ovi nesrećnici po komandnoj.
Pročitaj šta ti je rođak radio:

The Strange and True case of
PETER PLOGOJOWITZ
The Case of the first Documented
'Real' Vampire?
The story of Peter Plogojowitz dates back to 1725 and this official Government document was written by a German military official stationed in the village of Kisilova.


The Report 1725

And since with such people (which they call vampires) various are to be seen that is, the body undecomposed, the skin, hair, beard, and nails growing - the subjects resolved unanimously to open the grave of Peter Plogojowitz and to see if such above-mentioned signs were really to be found on him. To this end they came here to me and, telling of these events, asked me and the local parish priest, to be present at the viewing- And although I at first disapproved, telling them that the praiseworthy administration should first be dutifully and humbly informed. and its exalted opinion about this should be heard, they did not want to accommodate themselves to this at all, but rather gave this short answer: I could do what I wanted, but if I did not accord them the viewing and the legal recognition to deal with the body according to their custom, they would have to leave house and home, because by the time a gracious resolution was received from Belgrade, perhaps the entire village - and this was already supposed to have happened in Turkish times - could be destroyed by such an evil spirit, and they did not want to wait for this,
Since I could not hold these people from the resolution they had made, either with good words or with threats, I went to the village of Kisilova, taking along the Gradisk priest, and viewed the body of Peter Plogojowitz, just exhumed, finding, in accordance with thorough truthfulness, that first of all I did not detect the slightest odor that is otherwise characteristic of the dead, and the body, except for the nose, which was somewhat fallen away, was completely fresh. The hair and beard- even the nails, of which the old ones had fallen away - had grown on him; the old skin, which was somewhat whitish, had peeled away, and a new one had emerged from it. The face, hands, and feet and the whole body were so constituted, that they could not have been more complete in his lifetime. Not without astonishment, I saw some fresh blood in his mouth, which, according to the common observation, he had sucked from the people killed by him.
In short, all the indications were present that such people (as remarked above) are said to have. After both the priest and I had seen this spectacle, while people grew more outraged than distressed, all the subjects, with great speed, sharpened a stake - in order to pierce the corpse of the deceased with it- and put this at his heart, whereupon, as he was pierced, not only did much blood, completely fresh, flow also through his ears and mouth, but still other wild signs (which I pass by out of high respect) took place. Finally, according to their usual practice, they burned the often mentioned body, in his case, to ashes of which I inform the most laudable Administration, and at the same time would like to request, obediently and humbly, that if a mistake was made in this matter, such is to be attributed not to me but to the rabble, who were beside themselves with fear.

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Ma šta da ti pričam, sve znaš... kao da si mi u rodu. :D

...About six months ago, in the village Kisilova in the Rahm district, a guy called Peter Plogojovitz died. Then the following happened. In Kisilova, nine people, old ones as well as young ones, died from some sort of disease, very quickly within 24 hours after getting ill. And while they were still alive, they declared that Plogojovitz (who had been dead for six months) had visited them during their sleep and had strangled them so hard that they were now going to die. The anxious villagers were strengthened in their fears by Plogojovitz's widow who declared that her husband had come home after his death to collect his shoes.

Then follows a short passage that seems interesting enough to translate more or less verbatim:

"It so happens that with these persons, who are also called "vampyri", there are several ways in which the corpse refuses to decompose. So it is possible to find that their skin, their hair, their beard and their nails, continue to grow."

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Nagradno pitanje, gdje je ovo snimano?
Hint, nije Babušnica, a u spotu se pojavljuje Gandalf lično (Sir Ian McKellen)


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12tyZRFkzFI[/youtube]


Talija ako izgledaš kao ova vampirica, možda promjenim mišljenje o tebi. :D

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Ne mogu da vjerujem! Upravo sam htjela da okačim video klip sa YouTube :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtCadpN12oc[/youtube]

Ništa to, to je deplasirano - ovo! Ova mrka plesačica.

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Vampirko, ako voliš vampirske horore onda obavezno pogledaj.

Let the Right One In

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXJfoGjC1Yc[/youtube]


30 Days of Night

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q3PdT6GFQ[/youtube]


I moj omiljeni

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsv_NQFbQzo[/youtube]

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Bogami si se potrudio. Sad ću da ih gledam.
Mislila sam da zakačim i Leptiricu, par dobrih scena, al da te ne prepadnem pred spavanje. :D

Ipak...
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