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Citiraj:
"I once wanted to become an atheist, but I gave up - they have no holidays."
- Henny Youngman
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Citiraj:
What bothers me is the way people associate atheism with a lack or morality. Why do they think that? Would the religious people who believe that all run around murdering people if they thought there was no god? (Actually, some of them do that because they believe in god.)
People are good (beyond what punishment and reward warrant) because of a natural concern for others. Just as religion can't force someone to be heterosexual, it can't force you to care about other people.
Some people are sociopaths and don't care about other people. Teaching them religion doesn't fix them.
Humans are social animals and evolution has programmed most them with a natural emotional drive to be good to their neighbors.
Citiraj:
Atheists aren't those who don't believe in God, but those who are annoyed that other people do.
:D
Citiraj:
Agnosticism is skepticism, doubt which demands proof. Recognizing that God's existence is a matter of faith which by definition can never be proven, true agnostics admit that they don't know whether God(s) exist(s). Even those of us with faith are agnostics, in the purely rational sense that we likewise recognize our faith is unprovable (that's why we call it "faith," rather than "knowledge"). Many of the faithful are not comfortable with that, but that's what the word MEANS.
Atheists affirmatively believe that God does not exist. There is no proof for the absence of God. Proof that the Biblical creations stories are not true does not disprove the existence of God. It is logically impossible to prove the negative proposition that "There is no God," and it is impossible to gather empirical evidence that will prove there is no God. Atheists must base their position on faith, rather than reason or evidence.
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I am quite comfortable believing in the Big Bang, the modern updates to Darwinism (to the extent I've been able to keep up with them), and science in general. None of that "evidence" threatens my faith, precisely because it is "faith."
Faith is irrational. I happen to believe that this particular irrationality is relatively harmless, healthy, and spiritually nutritious.
Citiraj:
>>Fanatical Atheists are as much a problem as fanatical Christians or fanatical Islamics
No they are not! What a silly thing to say.
Atheists (whether fanatical or not) do not have a barrow to push. Have you ever heard of atheists going door to door trying to push REASON and commonsense! Have atheists ever tried to hurt anyone (ie crusades, fatwahs, ban gays).
No - and for a very good reason - atheism is not a silly mindless BELIEF!! They do not have to try and justify their mindless faith by trying to get everyone else to join in.
Citiraj:
Can you justify Atheism rigorously and scientifically? Showing that the existence of God is highly improbable would be acceptable. You'll need to rigorously define what you mean by God to do this of course.
I've never seen it done, and without it I can't see any justification for Atheism. Agnosticism appears to me to be the only purely logical point of view.
Citiraj:
As others have said, athiests (and I am one, of course) have a lack of belief in a God, which is a far call from believing that there is no god.
What offends athiests is blind belief - whether it is in an imaginary friend, pink rabbits or your particular god. So to be labelled as having this same blind belief is to be bundled up with theists, and that is quite insulting.
Citiraj:
An atheist is one who doesn't believe there is a god. They can still accept that it is possible, they just don't believe it to be true. An agnostic has no belief one way or the other.
Citiraj:
In the American Heritage Dictionary, the second definition is “Godlessness; immorality.” I totally disagree with this definition.
Citiraj:
If christians focused more on the teachings of Christ, the world would see the value of organized relationship, which is what Christ taught, instead of the positive and negative tenets of organized religion.
Citiraj:
I think it was Richard Dawkins who pointed out that everybody on Earth doesn't believe in gods.
Christians don't believe in Allah, Muslims don't believe in Zeus, Jews don't believe in Mithra, and so on and so on and so on.
If you count up all the gods ever invented, you will see that everybody on Earth disbelieves either virtually or actually all of them. Disbelief in a god is the rule, not the exception. We are all comfortable with disbelief in gods. We were born that way and we will die that way.
Religious belief is when someone chooses to believe in something they know isn't true. Religious people know not to take other religions seriously, or take their own religion seriously.
You can choose to believe invisible dead people live in the sky, or that you'll be alive when you're dead, or that when you're dead you'll rule your own city or planet -- but I don't have to take you seriously, you know that you don't have to take yourself seriously either. You will pay to get your brakes fixed but never pray to get them fixed. Knowing that will let you enjoy kidding yourself without killing yourself.
Dobar vic 
Citiraj:
I have a Catholic friend who once said (in dismay) "the only people I know who have any integrity or human decency are atheists and a few agnostics!" She's honest, and kind of the embodiment of the person most Christians like to think they are, caring about others, forgiving, helpful, non-judgemental, but she's one of about five I've ever met who really are like that.
Citiraj:
Atheism is a label the superstitious people give those who have noticed that there is no evidence to support the idea of a "god". That's it. I don't need faith at all. I look at the evidence and it's conclusive that the superstitious people have nothing to support their claims. No faith involved. Sorry.
It is not impossible to prove non-existence of some things. Mathematics have many things that have been proven to not exist. However, it is possible to prove the existence of anything with 100% certainty. All you need is a single example or specimen. If your god exists, trot him out. Let's see him. Unfortuntately, thoughout all of history not a single person has been able to do that. The idea of god is a myth and fairy tale. "god" has less evidence for its existence than bigfoot. How does that make you feel?
Citiraj:
The burden of proof for the proving of the existence of a God rests firmly on the believer, and not the disproving of the existence of a God on the atheist.
If you believe in oranges for example, and I've never seen or heard of an orange, it's up to you to prove that oranges exist, not me to prove they don't.
Citiraj:
saying atheism is a type of religion is like saying barefoot is a type of shoe. A lack of faith based belief in the supernatural is not a faith in and of itself.
Citiraj:
Atheism is being WITHOUT faith that there IS a god or gods, not HAVING faith in the NONexistence of god or gods.
Citiraj:
The non-existence of God is NOT unprovable; we can (and have) accumulated enough evidence to reasonably believe that there is no God. If by "proof" you mean "absolute proof", then we don't have this with respect to God. . .or anything else, except perhaps mathematical objects.
You can't "prove", in this stronger sense, that you're awake right now. . .but that's not a reason to think that you aren't.
Citiraj:
Aren't atheists those guys who think it's worth discussing whether or not supernatural beings exist?
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