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Da li bi ste se vakcinisali protiv korona virusa? (12.02.2021.)
a)vakcinisaću se 57%  57%  [ 72 ]
b)neću se vakcinisati 14%  14%  [ 18 ]
c)vakcinisaću se ako budem bio uslovljen/a (zbog posla, putovanja i sl.) 25%  25%  [ 32 ]
d)nisam o tome još razmišljao/la 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
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И да, правовременим затварањем свих граница бисмо били у стању да ових дана чекамо крај епидемије у Кини и уопште у свијету, који ће услиједити за 10-20 дана (отприлике), у Европи не би уопште било заражених, камоли умрлих... Ех, да су баби муда :(

муријски час неће нешто пуно помоћи (читај: ништа), јер ако говоримо о викендицама, роштиљању, окупљањима, па на роштиљ се креће некад ујутро да се поузимају све ствари што требаш и већ најкасније у 1 поподне се отвара прва пива :D А таквима није проблем да се врате до 8 кући или сачекају сутрадан и да се враћају... Заправо, можда и најбесмисленија мјера до сад спроведена, за разлику од осталих које итекако имају смисла.

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Mene opet samo jedno zanima, ko će to da plati ? Ako ne radiš, ne dobijaš platu, prema tome nemaš za osnovne stvari. Razmišlja li neko o tome ili je samo bitno donositi mjere i zabrane ?


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Koliko ti imaš godina?

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Sedam.


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Na forumu da.

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Druškane, ako ovakvo stanje potraje, pitaću ja tebe koliko imaš godina. U mojoj firmi već šalju na godišnje odmore, dok ne krenu otkazi. Ministar Šeranić donosi dobre odluke, dok ostatak ekipe na vlasti spominje neke fondove, ne otpuštajte radnike i ostale gluposti.


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Dukke je napisao:
Danas su virusologija i imunologija toliko uznapredovale da je moguce utvrditi da li je neki virus uzgojen ili je dosao iz prirode. Toliko o teorijama.

Kombinacija guste naseljenosti, losih higijenskih uslova, neadekvatna priprema hrane i mogucnost da se covjek relativno brzo i jeftino krece po planeti dovedu do pandemije.

Do pojave vakcine, karantin je zlato.

Ovo potpisujem. Osim toga kinezi jedu sve i svašta, higijena im je na vrlo niskom nivou i eto kako dođemo do korona virusa. Ovaj policijski čas je bez veze. Ja bih ga već uveo od 15:00 časova. Radno vrijeme bih ostavio do 14:00, sat vremena da dođeš kući i to je to.

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Niti jedan cigan nije oobolio od virusa, kontam ovo sa pranjem rukua ne pije vode :/

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Да не спомињем Цигане обољеле од астме или алергичне на нешто. :) Али зато Доместос убија 99,9% бактерија...

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Kad pobjedimo Doboj ćemo nazvati Obren Vakuf,usprkos tebi i Vulićki
Vladimir RUS je napisao:
Na RTRS-u kazu 8000, a na Nezavisnim hiljade. :D
Dok je bilo uzivo, na RTRS-u i ATV-u nista. Zato ide live kada se otvara hidroelektrana od 42 miliona KM koja uz to zaposljava tj. bice uposleno 40-ak radnika. Milion KM po radnom mjestu.


Poslednji put menjao sinip dana 21 Mar 2020, 13:49, izmenjena samo jedanput

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danijell je napisao:
The_new_Statesman je napisao:
https://www.nezavisne.com/novosti/drustvo/Dodik-U-Srpskoj-se-od-veceras-uvodi-policijski-cas/590029

Rekao bih da je upravljanje ovom krizom prepusteno strucnjacima, a da se Dodik (uopste politika) povukao iz prvog plana. I to je najbolje sto je uradio.

Prednosti postoje i za drustvo i za politicare. Potonji izbjegavaju direktnu odgovornost ako kola krenu nizbrdo, a drustvo dobija najstrucniju zastitu koju ima na raspolaganju.


Ček, da li je ovo isti TnS sa početka ove teme?


Jesam. I dalje mislim da je u tom momentu trebalo odmah dede i babe pod katanac + blokada granice + policijski cas i zabrana izlaska. Kamo srece da je citav svijet banovao Kinu istog dana kada su i oni podigli karantin. Ova prica bi vec odavno bila zavrsena i sada bi citali o nekakvim berzanskim plusevima i minusima.


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Шта ће полицијски час у 20:00 кад свакако нема људи на улици тад.
Ако су мислили то, требали су бубнути пар дана по цијели дан и ћао.
Само продавница, апотека, болница.


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Druškane, ako ovakvo stanje potraje, pitaću ja tebe koliko imaš godina. U mojoj firmi već šalju na godišnje odmore, dok ne krenu otkazi. Ministar Šeranić donosi dobre odluke, dok ostatak ekipe na vlasti spominje neke fondove, ne otpuštajte radnike i ostale gluposti.


Onda očito se ne sjećaš početka 90-ih, pa kako su opet ljudi preživjeli. Šta bi bilo da recimo nestane struje sada na 15 dana. Ne mora na onih 40+ dana. Sasvim dovoljno da ti sve propadne u zamrzivaču. Evo vrijeme za baštu sada.

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Evo Nijemci se malo igrali brojkama. Ali ovo su prilično pesimistične brojke. Matematički surove.
Neko se potrudio i da prevede grubo. To je ona prva procjena da će 50-70% ljudi biti zaraženo, što je i Merkel spominjala.

https://www.dgepi.de/assets/Stellungnah ... 200319.pdf

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In order to make predictions, it is necessary in the current situation to make assumptions about the behaviour of the infectious agent. These are based on data on the occurrence of the infection observed to date and become increasingly predictable the longer the pandemic lasts. Published data speak for themselves

for the fact that SARS-CoV-2 infections are mild to moderate in most cases, while 2-5%

of the cases require treatment in the intensive care unit. Risk groups for severe courses of disease are all older people [1, 2] and people with previous illnesses. Tobacco consumption also appears to be a risk factor or an unfavorable course of disease [1]. Children usually have a very mild course, but can still transmit the infection.

**An important parameter for modelling the spread of infection is the baseline reproduction rate (R0). This indicates the average number of people infected by an infected person when no infection control measures are carried out and there is no immunity in the population (in further course of propagation this changes and one speaks of the effective reproduction number).**For SARS-CoV-2, R0 is estimated at 2-3 [3]. Imagine a scenario in which NO specific control measures are implemented and no spontaneous changes in behavior occur, would under the assumption that all persons develop immune protection after an infection in the course of the outbreak will infect about 50-70% of the population, initially at an exponentially increasing rate. If the epidemic were to proceed unchecked according to this scenario, the peak of the outbreak would be (maximum number of infected persons) already in summer 2020 (Fig. 1).

Fig. 1: Temporal course of the epidemic for different basic reproduction numbers (R0) / effective reproduction numbers. This represents the impact of control measures through different reproduction numbers after the introduction of the measures on COVID-19 case numbers. On the horizontal axis the time and on the vertical axis the number of persons who are infected at any one time (panel A) or need treatment in an intensive care unit (panel B). For example, on day 50 at a reproduction count of 2.5 5,687,270 infected persons (Panel A), at a reproduction count of 2 would result in 1,140,233 persons requiring intensive care on day 100. The different curves in the graph also show slower progression of the epidemic, i.e. they show what happens when the reproduction count is reduced by the introduction of control measures, as currently in Germany has already partially implemented the directive. The great danger of an unimpeded outbreak is that in a short period of time a very large number of patients will require treatment at intensive care units and the health care system would very quickly be overtaxed by this. Currently, the health care system in Germany has about 30,000 intensive care beds; most of these are continuously needed for patients who are subject to intensive care regardless of the current COVID-19 problem. When interpreting the model results, it is noticeable that even moderately slowed progression of the infection spread would lead to decompensation of the health care system. Only a Reduction of the effective reproduction number in the range of 1 to 1.2 would result in a course within the existing capacities of the health system.

A control of the propagation speed into this narrow range seems practically inconceivable, because even a small increase of the reproductive rate would lead to the health system being overtaxed.

Another possible strategy would be to reduce the effective reproductive rate below 1 and thereby to contain the epidemic. The decisive measure here, in addition to the already established infection control strategies (e.g. reduction of the probability of transmission through consistent hand hygiene, isolation of infected persons, quarantine of contact persons) also in the entire population to achieve a restriction of social contacts to the bare minimum. Should it be thus succeed in containing the spread of infection in Germany until there are no new cases, would have to continue to prevent the re-introduction of the infection, or individual cases that occur would have to be quickly identified and isolated by means of a broad-based testing strategy.

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Нова Варош je napisao:
Шта ће полицијски час у 20:00 кад свакако нема људи на улици тад.
Ако су мислили то, требали су бубнути пар дана по цијели дан и ћао.
Само продавница, апотека, болница.

To je to. Uz blokadu granice jer dzaba sve dok se ne smiri po svijetu.


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danijell je napisao:
Evo Nijemci se malo igrali brojkama. Ali ovo su prilično pesimistične brojke. Matematički surove.
Neko se potrudio i da prevede grubo. To je ona prva procjena da će 50-70% ljudi biti zaraženo, što je i Merkel spominjala.

https://www.dgepi.de/assets/Stellungnah ... 200319.pdf

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In order to make predictions, it is necessary in the current situation to make assumptions about the behaviour of the infectious agent. These are based on data on the occurrence of the infection observed to date and become increasingly predictable the longer the pandemic lasts. Published data speak for themselves

for the fact that SARS-CoV-2 infections are mild to moderate in most cases, while 2-5%

of the cases require treatment in the intensive care unit. Risk groups for severe courses of disease are all older people [1, 2] and people with previous illnesses. Tobacco consumption also appears to be a risk factor or an unfavorable course of disease [1]. Children usually have a very mild course, but can still transmit the infection.

**An important parameter for modelling the spread of infection is the baseline reproduction rate (R0). This indicates the average number of people infected by an infected person when no infection control measures are carried out and there is no immunity in the population (in further course of propagation this changes and one speaks of the effective reproduction number).**For SARS-CoV-2, R0 is estimated at 2-3 [3]. Imagine a scenario in which NO specific control measures are implemented and no spontaneous changes in behavior occur, would under the assumption that all persons develop immune protection after an infection in the course of the outbreak will infect about 50-70% of the population, initially at an exponentially increasing rate. If the epidemic were to proceed unchecked according to this scenario, the peak of the outbreak would be (maximum number of infected persons) already in summer 2020 (Fig. 1).

Fig. 1: Temporal course of the epidemic for different basic reproduction numbers (R0) / effective reproduction numbers. This represents the impact of control measures through different reproduction numbers after the introduction of the measures on COVID-19 case numbers. On the horizontal axis the time and on the vertical axis the number of persons who are infected at any one time (panel A) or need treatment in an intensive care unit (panel B). For example, on day 50 at a reproduction count of 2.5 5,687,270 infected persons (Panel A), at a reproduction count of 2 would result in 1,140,233 persons requiring intensive care on day 100. The different curves in the graph also show slower progression of the epidemic, i.e. they show what happens when the reproduction count is reduced by the introduction of control measures, as currently in Germany has already partially implemented the directive. The great danger of an unimpeded outbreak is that in a short period of time a very large number of patients will require treatment at intensive care units and the health care system would very quickly be overtaxed by this. Currently, the health care system in Germany has about 30,000 intensive care beds; most of these are continuously needed for patients who are subject to intensive care regardless of the current COVID-19 problem. When interpreting the model results, it is noticeable that even moderately slowed progression of the infection spread would lead to decompensation of the health care system. Only a Reduction of the effective reproduction number in the range of 1 to 1.2 would result in a course within the existing capacities of the health system.

A control of the propagation speed into this narrow range seems practically inconceivable, because even a small increase of the reproductive rate would lead to the health system being overtaxed.

Another possible strategy would be to reduce the effective reproductive rate below 1 and thereby to contain the epidemic. The decisive measure here, in addition to the already established infection control strategies (e.g. reduction of the probability of transmission through consistent hand hygiene, isolation of infected persons, quarantine of contact persons) also in the entire population to achieve a restriction of social contacts to the bare minimum. Should it be thus succeed in containing the spread of infection in Germany until there are no new cases, would have to continue to prevent the re-introduction of the infection, or individual cases that occur would have to be quickly identified and isolated by means of a broad-based testing strategy.

Nrvezano za ovo gore..
Koliko su Italija i Kina imali umrlih na 20.000 registrovanih infekcija?


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Италија 1441 (14. март), а Кина 425 (3. фебруар), бар тако пише на https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Njemacka za skoro 20.000 registrovanoh ima 68 umrlih.
Mislim da su neki ovde predvidjali talijanske cifre za Njemacku pre desetak dana.

Btw. jos ovo nije gotovo. Nijemci su jos uvijek jako neozbiljni i sve im je to generalno nekako daleko. Mozda ih ova kisa ponovo utjera u kuce.


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Italija je po podacima za 14.3 imala 21700 zaraženih i 1441 umrlih.


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Puno umrlih na taj broj.


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Spanija je juce na 20000 imala oko 1000 umrlih. Danas na 25000 ima 1300+.


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