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Autoru:  ajsmen [ 13 Jun 2003, 19:25 ]
Tema posta:  meditacija, joga, zazen
Kako vidimo korist istih i da li uopste znamo sta je to?
zanimljive knjige koje ste procitali iz te oblasti.
potencijali koji se bude...itd

ako ima kakvih nedoumica tipa 'sekta' rado cu bar povrsno
razbiti nedoumice doticnih.
Autoru:  ajsmen [ 13 Jun 2003, 20:27 ]
Tema posta: 
njega sigurno niste citali.
na zalost nisam imao zivaca da prevodi.

Questioner: My own feeling is that my spiritual development is not
in my hands. Making one's own plans and carrying them out leads
nowhere. I just run in circles round myself. When God considers the
fruit to be ripe, He will pluck it and eat it. Whichever fruit seems
green to Him will remain on the world's tree for another day.

Maharaj: You think God knows you? Even the world He does not know.

Q: Yours is a different God. Mine is different. Mine is merciful. He
suffers along with us.

M: You pray to save one, while thousands die. And if all stop dying,
there will be no space on earth.

Q: I am not afraid of death. My concern is with sorrow and suffering.
My God is a simple God and rather helpless. He has no power to compel
us to be wise. He can only stand and wait.

M: If you and your God are both helpless, does it not imply that the
world is accidental? And if it is, the only thing you can do is to go
beyond it.

Questioner: Without God's power nothing can be done. Even you would
not be sitting here and talking to us without Him.

Maharaj: All is His doing, no doubt. What is it to me, since I want
nothing? What can God give me, or take away from me?
What is mine is mine and was mine even when God was not. Of course,
it is avery tiny little thing, a speck the sense 'I am',
the fact of being. This is my own place, nobody gave it to me. The
earth is mine: what grows on it is God's.

Q: Did God take the earth on rent from you?

M: God is my devotee and did all this for me.

Q: Is there no God apart from you?

M: How can there be? 'I am' is the root, God is the tree. Whom am I
to worship, and what for?

Q: Are you the devotee or the object of devotion?

M: Am neither, I am devotion itself.

Q: There is not enough devotion in the world.

M: You are always after the improvement of the world. Do you really
believe that the world is waiting for you to be saved?

Q: I just do not know how much I can do for the world. All I can do,
is to try. Is there anything else you would like me to do?

M: Without you is there a world? You know all about the world, but
about yourself you know nothing. You yourself are the tools of your
work, you have no other tools. Why don't you take care of the tools
before you think of the work?

Q: I can wait, while the world cannot.

M: By not enquiring you keep the world waiting.

Q: Waiting for what?

M: For somebody who can save it.

Q: God runs the world, God will save it.

M: That's what you say! Did God come and tell you that the world is
His creation and concern and not yours?

Q: Why should it be my sole concern?

M: Consider. The world in which you live, who else knows about it?

Q: You know. Everybody knows.

M: Did anybody come from outside of your world to tell you? Myself
and everybody else appear and disappear in your world. We are all at
your mercy.

Q: It cannot be so bad! I exist in your world as you exist in mine.

M: You have no evidence of my world. You are completely wrapped up in
the world of your own making.

Q: I see. Completely, but hopelessly?

M: Within the prison of your world appears a man who tells you that
the world of painful contradictions, which you have created, is
neither continuous nor permanent and is based on a misapprehension.
He pleads with you to get out of it, by the same way by which you got
into it. You got into it by forgetting what you are and you will get
out of it by knowing yourself as you are.

Q: In what way does it affect the world?

M: When you are free of the world, you can do something about it. As
long as you are a prisoner of it, you are helpless to change it. On
the contrary, whatever you do will aggravate the situation.

Q: Righteousness will set me free.

M: Righteousness will undoubtedly make you and your world a
comfortable, even happy place. But what is the use? There is no
reality in it. It cannot last.

Q: God will help.

M: To help you God must know your existence. But you and your world
are dream states. In dream you may suffer agonies. None knows them,
and none can help you.

Q: So all my questions, my search and study are of no use?

M: These are but the stirrings of a man who is tired of sleeping.
They are not the causes of awakening, but it's early signs. But, you
must not ask idle questions, to which you already know the answers.

I AM THAT,
Talks with
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Published by Acorn Press
Autoru:  Maran Ata [ 13 Jun 2003, 20:53 ]
Tema posta: 
Све су то окултне науке циганских гуруа. Ево на шта то личи:

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-kundalini-s ... astics.htm

8)
Autoru:  ajsmen [ 13 Jun 2003, 21:20 ]
Tema posta: 
Maran Ata je napisao:
Све су то окултне науке циганских гуруа. Ево на шта то личи:

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-kundalini-s ... astics.htm

8)


steta sto japanci prave svoje sajtove na japanskom :D
da malo vidis da zemlju kao sto je japan treba
postovati, cak su je i neprijatelji postovali.
Kad im je obicni puk pun postovanja, zamisli
tek kakvi su im zen monasi - da nije ukradeno, prevod sa japanskog i na
japanskom je monah.


sve te nauke su malo starije od 'ciganskih gurua'.
Autoru:  Maran Ata [ 14 Jun 2003, 02:27 ]
Tema posta: 
Чисто "јапанско" име - Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj - хахахахахахаха :D :D :D

Од кад се то Јапанци зову "Махараџа" ?

А ако хоћеш мало јапанских монаха, ево ти:

http://www.svetikralj.org.nz/japan/japan.htm
http://www2.gol.com/users/ocj/Photos.htm
http://www2.gol.com/users/ocj/

Сајонара... 8)
Autoru:  ajsmen [ 14 Jun 2003, 10:54 ]
Tema posta: 
Maran Ata je napisao:
Чисто "јапанско" име - Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj - хахахахахахаха :D :D :D

Од кад се то Јапанци зову "Махараџа" ?

А ако хоћеш мало јапанских монаха, ево ти:

http://www.svetikralj.org.nz/japan/japan.htm
http://www2.gol.com/users/ocj/Photos.htm
http://www2.gol.com/users/ocj/

Сајонара... 8)


mogu ti ja navesti i Rosi Filip Kapola, ali nije bitno,
nit sam rekao da jenisargadatta japansko ime jer se
iz samog imena vidi da nije.
Autoru:  sathya [ 14 Jun 2003, 16:01 ]
Tema posta: 
Maran Ata: ti ciganski gurui su napravili od svog zivota vise nego sto tvoje usrano misljenje moze i da zamisli.
Autoru:  Maran Ata [ 14 Jun 2003, 17:40 ]
Tema posta: 
Да, могуће је... док су они "медитирали" данима, други су им доносили јело, пиће, прали, пеглали, издржавали, итд...

Мудро, мудро... 8)
Autoru:  Vader [ 15 Jun 2003, 10:23 ]
Tema posta: 
frozen je napisao:
na zalost nisam imao zivaca da prevodi

Zamolio bih da se tekstovi ne postavljaju na stranim jezicima. Ako je u pitanju neki takav tekst koji je skinut sa interneta bolje je samo staviti adresu pa da to pročitaju oni koje to možda interesuje.
Autoru:  manemoj [ 17 Jun 2003, 17:57 ]
Tema posta: 
Ovaj maranata je stvarno zabavan i to na onaj nacin kad recimo gledate neku zanimljivu emisiju na tv recimo na RTS, ili National Geographic i onda slučajno prebacite na PINK televiziju ili SVET plus i u par recenica vidite sav besmisao stvarno je humoristican mozemo reci i u stilu legendarnih nadrealista ili onoga sto su oni htjeli istaci kao koncept ponašanja kod nekih ljudi u svoj njihovoj besvjesti.
Stvarno je ponekad veoma zabavan svojim simpaticnim mislimdasampametan i sadcuvasraskrinkati izjavama.
Sto samo dokazuje moju tvrdnju da je on u sustini dobar.
Autoru:  pilot babo [ 17 Jun 2003, 18:56 ]
Tema posta: 
ma nemoj :drinking: :drinking: :drinking:
Autoru:  manemoj [ 17 Jun 2003, 19:22 ]
Tema posta: 
a tebi sikness: Nazdravlje! :)
Autoru:  Maran Ata [ 17 Jun 2003, 19:53 ]
Tema posta: 
Ниси зано да је смех здрав ? :wink:
Autoru:  manemoj [ 18 Jun 2003, 00:23 ]
Tema posta: 
Naravno da znam upravo o tome govorim ovih nekoliko postova o tebi i smjehu zato si mi ti tako drag i bilo bi mi stvarno zao da i ti odes sa ovog foruma kao onaj hriscanin. On je takodje bio zabavan ali opsiran. A ovaj tvoj post opet potvrdjuje tvoju refleksnu prirodu toliko si vidio i odgovorio a nisi skontao. Samo nastavi.
No hard feelings sve najbolje druze. :)
Autoru:  Maran Ata [ 18 Jun 2003, 02:18 ]
Tema posta: 
Ма, ми Православни смо "сиромашни духом", и зато и јесте наше Царство Небеско. :wink:
Autoru:  ajsmen [ 18 Jun 2003, 09:25 ]
Tema posta: 
ghm hrgfhm....
dakle,
drz' te se zadane teme da nas
Vader ne bi sve 'delete'.

Ako vec morate da se prepucavate na temi prepucavajte se
u stilu teme npr.
'Da li je gospodin upraznjavao svoj jutrosnji Zen, pa je
sada iskricavno taoistican."- sale poput tih su dobrodosle.
to isto se odnosi na Maran Atu koji je svakoj temi svadjalica.

I AKO BUDETE HARALI PO OVOJ TEMI I ODSTUPATE OD RIJECI OVE
TEME OGANJ BOZIJI CU DA SRUCIM NA VAS!!!!!! :D :D :D
Autoru:  ajsmen [ 18 Jun 2003, 10:32 ]
Tema posta: 
Joga

Smanji svoja navike i zelje, zivi obican i prociscen zivot, ne povredjuj ni jedno zivo bice, to su osnovna nacela joge.

Vjezbe i disanje susamo dijelovi joge, zato sto tijelo mora biti zdravo i pod kontrolom, ali previse koncentracije na tijelo je porazavajuce za samu njegovu svrhu, zato sto je um taj koji je primaran i u osnovi u pocetku. Dubokim i tihim disanje, vitalnost ce se popraviti, sto ce uticati na mozak i pomoci umu da raste cist i stabilan i bude spreman za meditaciju. Bez vitalnosti, malo se sta moze uciniti, to je vazno, kao i da je zastitis i povecas.

Yoga je rad vyakta (unutrasnjeg bica) na vyakti (vanjskog sebe). Sve sto vanjsko radi je odgovor unutrasnjem. Vanjsko sebe ima neku konrolu nad tijelom i moze poboljsati vjezbe i disanje. Unutrasnje je to koje moze kontrolisati vanjsko. Vanjsko ce biti mudro da poslusa.

Uzrok patnje je zavisnost, nezavisnost je u slobodi. Joga je nauka i umjetnost oslobodnjenja sebe kroz razumijevanje sebe.
Autoru:  manemoj [ 18 Jun 2003, 12:15 ]
Tema posta: 
Maranata: Ма, ми Православни смо "сиромашни духом", и зато и јесте наше Царство Небеско.

Ti si mi drag i bilo bi mi drago da si ono sto govoris da jesi dakle da se nalazis u onom MI ali kao sto se da vidjeti ovdje na forumu ti si ustvari zabavan ali pravoslavan tesko? Imas svoj neki kult kao i onaj hriscanin kult antiVladikeNikolaja tvoj je kult džihad protiv svih koji misle svojom glavom a ne refleksima.
Sve najbolje dragi prijatelju. Ocito reinkarnacija nekog muslimana cim si ovako ratoboran protiv svih van tvog kulta.
Autoru:  Maran Ata [ 18 Jun 2003, 13:49 ]
Tema posta: 
Пошто видим да си ти онај што дели реинкарнације - лилихпове, јеси их ти поделио и овим реинкарнисаним пајацима који се овде појављују ? Чија си ти реинкаранција ? :-?
Autoru:  sathya [ 18 Jun 2003, 20:55 ]
Tema posta: 
Evo ja cu odgovoriti na ovo pitanje. Stvarno mi je drago sto citam postove ovako nekoga kao sto je maranata, jer napokon dobijam direktno shvatanje da ja ne zelim da mentalno tripujem hipnotisuci se davanjem neke nepostojece dimenzije svom postojanju, one tipa JaSamNaBozijojMisiji. Nazalost i mene je povukla ta struja ego borbe, ali bas zato je i meni drag maranata. Ustedim toliko truda kad procitam njegove dubokoume poruke! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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